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Donald Trump 1º presidente de Estados Unidos desde 1928 que no inicia una GUERRA

peor me acuerdo que lo vi en una noticia hablando del bombardeo a siria o algun pais arabe, hace un par de annos con evidente incomodidad diciendo si atacamos por razones que bla bla pero se notaba que no entendia mucho.
Pero no empezó esa guerra POS weon aprende a leer el título
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Da lo mismo: Ya tiene 180 mil estadounidenses muertos por covid. Ya pasó a la historia como el más pelmazo. Más muertos que Vietnam y la primera guerra.

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Huy qué grave no metió a la gente obligada a sus casas. Cada persona es responsable por sus actos, wea que los zurdos no entienden porque necesitan al papi estado encima. Gente de mierda.
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De momento ninguna, solo ha heredado las que ya tenian los gringos en afganistan, siria, etc.
De hecho ha sacado tropas a full de Afganistán. Obama es el weon que tuvo más operaciones militares y ataques a otros países. Pero como es negrito debe ser bueno y le dieron el Nobel de la paz.
 
Trump Didn’t Shrink U.S. Military Commitments Abroad—He Expanded Them
The President’s False Promise of Retrenchment
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US. President Donald Trump has repeatedly promised to extract the United States from costly foreign conflicts, bring U.S. troops home, and shrug off burdensome overseas commitments. “Great nations do not fight endless wars,” Trump declared in his 2019 State of the Union address. “We’re bringing our troops back home,” he boasted during a cabinet meeting in October. “I got elected on bringing our soldiers back home.”

But after nearly three years in office, Trump’s promised retrenchment has yet to materialize. The president hasn’t meaningfully altered the U.S. global military footprint he inherited from President Barack Obama. Nor has he shifted the costly burden of defending U.S. allies. To the contrary,
he loaded even greater military responsibilities on the United States while either ramping up or maintaining U.S. involvement in the conflicts in Afghanistan, Syria, and elsewhere. On practically every other issue, Trump departed radically from the path of his predecessor. But when it came to troop deployments and other overseas defense commitments, he largely preserved the chessboard he inherited—promises to the contrary be damned.

BY THE NUMBERS
The clearest measure of Trump’s retrenchment efforts, or lack thereof, is foreign troop deployments. In the final months of Obama’s presidency, approximately 198,000 active duty U.S. military personnel were deployed overseas, according to the Pentagon’s Defense Manpower Data Center. By comparison, the most recent figure for the Trump administration is 174,000 active duty troops. But even that difference reflects an accounting trick. Beginning in December 2017, the Defense Department started excluding troops deployed to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria from its official reports, citing a vague need to “protect our forces.” When the estimated troop levels for those three countries are added back in, the current total is around 194,000—roughly equivalent to the number Trump inherited.

The main reason Trump has failed to reduce overseas troop levels is that every time he announces a drawdown he reverses himself. Consider Afghanistan. Prior to his election, Trump repeatedly called the war in Afghanistan a “terrible mistake” and declared that it was “time to come home!” But once in office, Trump increased the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan by around 50 percent. The Pentagon has since withdrawn some troops, but roughly 12,500 troops remain in Afghanistan, up from about 8,500 when Trump took office.

A similar story played out in northern Syria, from which Trump ordered the abrupt withdrawal of U.S. troops in December 2018. “We have won against ISIS,” he claimed in a video released on Twitter. “Our boys, our young women, our men—they’re all coming back.” But after military officials and members of Congress pushed back and several administration officials resigned, Trump shifted gears and agreed to keep about half of the roughly 2,000 troops deployed to northern Syria in place. In October, the president announced that he would withdraw the remaining 1,000 troops, paving the way for a Turkish invasion ( :nonono: ) of northern Syria and an assault on the United States’ Kurdish allies. But once again, Pentagon officials prevailed on the president to leave close to 90 percent of the troops behind to guard nearby oil fields. The remainder will be redeployed in the region instead of coming home.

One place where Trump has successfully pressed for troop reductions is Africa. The Pentagon announced the phased withdrawal of hundreds of U.S. troops from that continent beginning in 2018. But the U.S. military footprint in Africa was relatively small to begin with, at roughly 7,200 troops, and because counterterrorism operations remain active in West Africa, military commanders have recommended slashing the proposed reductions by half

Moreover, Trump has stumbled into new military commitments in the Middle East and Europe. In response to rising tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran, he authorized the deployment of some 14,000 additional troops to the Persian Gulf, including around 3,500 to protect Saudi oil facilities. Trump also agreed to expand the U.S. military presence in Poland with an additional 1,000 troops, and his administration is in talks to build a permanent military base there in the future. In short, Trump’s vacillations have led to cosmetic redeployments and chronic confusion about U.S. priorities—but not to a meaningful reduction in troop levels.

THEIR FAIR SHARE
As a candidate, Trump promised to reduce the fiscal burden of U.S. foreign policy, in particular by demanding that ungrateful allies pay more for American security assistance. He claimed that the United States had been “disrespected, mocked, and ripped off for many, many years by people that were smarter, shrewder, tougher.” (He cited Japan and South Korea specifically.) And as president, he used his first NATO summit to complain about how “many of these [European] nations owe massive amounts of money from past years.”

Yet Trump has had limited success pressing NATO countries to live up to a 2014 pledge to spend two percent of GDP on defense within a decade. When he took office, just four of the 29 NATO members (Britain, the United States, Estonia, and Greece) met the threshold. Four more countries (Poland, Romania, Latvia, and Lithuania) have hit the target since then, but mainly because their spending was already trending in that direction. At the same time, British defense spending actually fell and is expected to flat-line at around 2.1 percent. French defense spending is slated to rise from 1.8 percent of GDP to two percent, but not until 2025. Germany won’t hit the two percent target until 2031. Even on the flattering but unrealistic assumption that these modest shifts are a response to Trump, together they will amount to no more than a $38 billion increase by the end of 2019, from $261 billion in non-U.S. NATO spending in 2016 to an estimated $299 billion this year.

Crucial American allies outside of Europe have also resisted Trump’s appeals for burden sharing. Japanese and Australian military expenditures hover around one percent and two percent of GDP, respectively—roughly the same as in the pre-Trump era. South Korea did significantly increase its defense spending in 2018, when tensions flared on the Korean Peninsula. But as a percentage of GDP, South Korean defense spending has hardly shifted during Trump’s tenure. Saudi Arabia’s defense spending has decreased dramatically in recent years, from $87.2 billion in 2015 to $67.5 billion last year, and there is no evidence that Saudi reimbursements to the United States have increased during Trump’s presidency.

With U.S. allies reluctant to chip in for defense, the Trump administration has been forced to foot most of the bill. Over the last three years, the United States has boosted defense spending by more than $139 billion, from $611 billion in 2016 to a near-record $750 billion in 2019. And that was after Trump called the military budget “crazy” in 2018. By almost any measure, the president has left the United States more financially overstretched than when he took office.

NO END IN SIGHT
Trump’s self-professed dealmaking prowess was supposed to free the United States from costly foreign entanglements. Despite his claims to know more “than the generals do,” however, Trump has yet to end any U.S. warand his actions have squandered U.S. leverage in Afghanistan and Syria. After ripping up the Iran nuclear deal, he failed to replace it with anything, much less anything better. In early November, Iran announced that it would begin to enrich fissile material beyond the caps it agreed to in the agreement.

The president’s controversial courting of Russian President Vladimir Putin proved similarly ineffective: arms control stalled and U.S.-Russian relations remained frosty,
pushing Russia and China closer together. Whatever one thinks of Trump’s outreach to North Korea, he has no durable concession or deal to show for it. In fact, North Korea has tested more missiles on Trump’s watch than on Obama’s. In short, the master dealmaker has come up empty again and again: not only has Trump failed to end the United States’ “forever wars” but his botched diplomatic efforts in Iran and North Korea have arguably made yet another war more likely.

Trump has been quick to blame these setbacks on “the deep state.” The president is committed to retrenchment, according to this narrative, but his advisers and bureaucrats are blocking him. Yet the president has had no trouble forcing out legions of advisers who didn’t perform as desired. Trump’s preferences may be unstable, but he appears to get what he wants from his employees. A related defense trotted out by supporters of the president is that elected officials such as Senator Mitch McConnell have stymied Trump’s retrenchment efforts. But apart from the Syrian retreat, which was a dispute over a small number of troops, Republicans have given the president sufficient support to pursue his foreign policy goals.

A more compelling explanation for the persistence of a large global U.S. military footprint, and the concomitant creep of overseas commitments, is to be found in domestic politics. Trump’s rhetoric can diverge sharply from reality without consequence because few in his party have an incentive to hold him accountable. In this hyper-polarized political moment, most voters will stick with their party regardless of how many campaign pledges are broken or foreign policy initiatives end in failure. With an all-volunteer military, flattening taxes, and deficit financing, the vast majority of Americans are insulated from the costs of American foreign policy. So long as most Americans want to look tough and influential without paying for it, politicians won’t be punished for living in the same fantasy world as voters. They can promise big changes, avoid making hard choices, and keep muddling along. That may be a way to get elected, but it is no way to run a superpower.



Resumen: Trump ha más que nada vendido humo y dejado más cagadas que aciertos, por eso la verdad me he desilucionado de su política exterior, que ha sido de las peores desde Woodrow Wilson y Warren Harding

No es facil deshacer las tremendas guerras que ya tienen en Medio Oriente. No digo que Trump sea perfecto, y de hecho personalmente como presidente gringo no me gusta (aunque la opcion, Hillary me agradaba aun menos, asi que supongo que fue el mal menor), pero estamos hablando de acabar con guerras con montones de actores, en un escenario geopolitico que siempre ha sido complejo.

No es una tarea facil, y diria que es un avance bastante significativo que al menos no empezara alguna guerra con el Hombre Cohete (el Kim) o el Winnie de Pooh (el Xi), considerando las tensiones nucleares con uno, y las economicas con el otro. Se me ocurre mas de un gobierno donde el escenario seria diferente.
 
Da lo mismo: Ya tiene 180 mil estadounidenses muertos por covid. Ya pasó a la historia como el más pelmazo. Más muertos que Vietnam y la primera guerra.

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Los progres salen todas las semanas, hace meses, a marchar y hacer desmanes, es obvio que el virus va estar fuera de control :hands:.

A Trump eso hace rato le juega a favor, porque lo está excusando de sus errores iniciales respecto al virus, aunque son compartidos con el ocultamiento de información de la OMS.
 
Yo la he dicho en mi círculo.

Mil veces mejor un Trump que Hillary "gatillo fácil" Clinton. Hay mucho valor en lo que el presidente Trump ha hecho. Nada menos que postergar (porque es postergar... :sm:) la batalla final.
Igual esperas el armagedon?


Cuando se logre la paz e n Medio Oriente atacara irán, Alemania, Rusia, China, y otros 3.(Venezuela?)
 
Tar-Palantir ascendió al trono de Armenelos y volvió a reverenciar a Eru Ilúvatar en el Meneltalma, dando respiro a los fieles que eran perseguidos por el mal.

No obstante, el fin de Númenor llegó a su muerte. Una vez caiga Trump o ya sea insostenible su gobierno (o quizá, en un arrebato de locura decida "actuar" como tanto le gusta a los gringos decir) y tendremos Armagedón.

Sin embargo, luego del horror; he visto un nuevo cielo, una Tierra nueva. Enjugará Dios toda lágrima de los ojos; y ya no habrá muerte, ni habrá más llanto, ni clamor, ni dolor. :sm:
 
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Los Chinos no inventaron el COVID (al menos, no se ha demostrado).
No se ha demostrado porque mataron a cualquier weon que pudiera probarlo, como el mismo médico chino que lo denunció. Es una dictadura férrea no hay libertad de información. Si es por creer weas oficiales como te gusta a ti la URSS todavía estaría ganando en la guerra fría ya que eso decían sus medios hasta 1992
 
No se ha demostrado porque mataron a cualquier weon que pudiera probarlo, como el mismo médico chino que lo denunció. Es una dictadura férrea no hay libertad de información. Si es por creer weas oficiales como te gusta a ti la URSS todavía estaría ganando en la guerra fría ya que eso decían sus medios hasta 1992

A ver, lo que si se ha demostrado es que el virus no fue creado con ingenieria genetica, y a menos que los chinos puedan sobornar o mandar a callar la secuencia genetica de un retrovirus entonces es la mejor evidencia de que no fue fabricado.

Queda la segunda opcion, que los Chinos descubrieran el virus, y lo llevaran a algun laboratorio virologico para estudiarlo y luego se les escapara o lo soltaran, pero hasta que no haya evidencia de eso es solo una conspiracion. Plausible, pero no se ha demostrado. Todo lo otro es suponer, y si vamos a suponer entonces se me ocurren teorias mas divertidas.
 
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esteloco_20 tiene bipolaridad

hay que ser bien weon para creerle al 100% lo que dicen los chinos que no reconocen los 40 millones de muertes de un regimen comunista.
Ademas, es cosa de ver en aliexpress vs lo que llega :nono:, en ellos no se puede confiar
 
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Ya expliqué esta wea hace un tiempo y mucha gente no creía pero la verdadera derecha histórica en EEUU siempre estuvo contra las guerras, hasta que surgieron los imbéciles de los neoconservadores. Que eran básicamente judíos troskistas que se cambiaron de bando para servir al estado de Israel. Pero la old right y paleoconservadores siempre estuvieron contra las guerras y sobre todo contra toda guerra exterior, sólo considerando legítima una guerra defensiva o a lo más fronteriza. Ya que consideraba la guerra como una forma de ampliación de los poderes del estado sobre los ciudadanos.

A ver, lo que si se ha demostrado es que el virus no fue creado con ingenieria genetica, y a menos que los chinos puedan sobornar o mandar a callar la secuencia genetica de un retrovirus entonces es la mejor evidencia de que no fue fabricado.

Queda la segunda opcion, que los Chinos descubrieran el virus, y lo llevaran a algun laboratorio virologico para estudiarlo y luego se les escapara o lo soltaran, pero hasta que no haya evidencia de eso es solo una conspiracion. Plausible, pero no se ha demostrado. Todo lo otro es suponer, y si vamos a suponer entonces se me ocurren teorias mas divertidas.
Pa voh todo lo que no salga en tele trece es una conspiración. Pobre.
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Bastante estúpida tiene que ser una persona para andar pidiendo pruebas de todo y creer en la única ideología viva que está comprobado que es una mierda, el comunismo. Esto está Comprobado, no funciona aunque se probó como en 70 países del mundo por décadas. Lo único que dejó fue hambre, miseria y destrucción: destrucción moral, física y ética
 
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Ya expliqué esta wea hace un tiempo y mucha gente no creía pero la verdadera derecha histórica en EEUU siempre estuvo contra las guerras, hasta que surgieron los imbéciles de los neoconservadores. Que eran básicamente judíos troskistas que se cambiaron de bando para servir al estado de Israel. Pero la old right y paleoconservadores siempre estuvieron contra las guerras y sobre todo contra toda guerra exterior, sólo considerando legítima una guerra defensiva o a lo más fronteriza. Ya que consideraba la guerra como una forma de ampliación de los poderes del estado sobre los ciudadanos.


Pa voh todo lo que no salga en tele trece es una conspiración. Pobre.

Demuestralo con evidencia solida o callate, esa es mi postura. No me valen tus especulaciones conspiranoicas.

Bastante estúpida tiene que ser una persona para andar pidiendo pruebas de todo y creer en la única ideología viva que está comprobado que es una mierda, el comunismo. Esto está Comprobado, no funciona aunque se probó como en 70 países del mundo por décadas. Lo único que dejó fue hambre, miseria y destrucción: destrucción moral, física y ética

Afirmaciones vagas y vacias, nada que se pueda analizar de forma rigurosa.
 
Demuestralo con evidencia solida o callate, esa es mi postura. No me valen tus especulaciones conspiranoicas.



Afirmaciones vagas y vacias, nada que se pueda analizar de forma rigurosa.
Que te tengo que probar que epxulsaron a toda la prensa extranjera de Wuhan? O que china es una dictadura comunista? Necesito probar que china miente? Jejeje. Eso es conspiración? Puta el wn loco jeje. De hecho tú tendrías que probar que dicen la verdad porque esa wea no se la cree nadie
 
Trump Didn’t Shrink U.S. Military Commitments Abroad—He Expanded Them
The President’s False Promise of Retrenchment
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US. President Donald Trump has repeatedly promised to extract the United States from costly foreign conflicts, bring U.S. troops home, and shrug off burdensome overseas commitments. “Great nations do not fight endless wars,” Trump declared in his 2019 State of the Union address. “We’re bringing our troops back home,” he boasted during a cabinet meeting in October. “I got elected on bringing our soldiers back home.”

But after nearly three years in office, Trump’s promised retrenchment has yet to materialize. The president hasn’t meaningfully altered the U.S. global military footprint he inherited from President Barack Obama. Nor has he shifted the costly burden of defending U.S. allies. To the contrary,
he loaded even greater military responsibilities on the United States while either ramping up or maintaining U.S. involvement in the conflicts in Afghanistan, Syria, and elsewhere. On practically every other issue, Trump departed radically from the path of his predecessor. But when it came to troop deployments and other overseas defense commitments, he largely preserved the chessboard he inherited—promises to the contrary be damned.

BY THE NUMBERS
The clearest measure of Trump’s retrenchment efforts, or lack thereof, is foreign troop deployments. In the final months of Obama’s presidency, approximately 198,000 active duty U.S. military personnel were deployed overseas, according to the Pentagon’s Defense Manpower Data Center. By comparison, the most recent figure for the Trump administration is 174,000 active duty troops. But even that difference reflects an accounting trick. Beginning in December 2017, the Defense Department started excluding troops deployed to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria from its official reports, citing a vague need to “protect our forces.” When the estimated troop levels for those three countries are added back in, the current total is around 194,000—roughly equivalent to the number Trump inherited.

The main reason Trump has failed to reduce overseas troop levels is that every time he announces a drawdown he reverses himself. Consider Afghanistan. Prior to his election, Trump repeatedly called the war in Afghanistan a “terrible mistake” and declared that it was “time to come home!” But once in office, Trump increased the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan by around 50 percent. The Pentagon has since withdrawn some troops, but roughly 12,500 troops remain in Afghanistan, up from about 8,500 when Trump took office.

A similar story played out in northern Syria, from which Trump ordered the abrupt withdrawal of U.S. troops in December 2018. “We have won against ISIS,” he claimed in a video released on Twitter. “Our boys, our young women, our men—they’re all coming back.” But after military officials and members of Congress pushed back and several administration officials resigned, Trump shifted gears and agreed to keep about half of the roughly 2,000 troops deployed to northern Syria in place. In October, the president announced that he would withdraw the remaining 1,000 troops, paving the way for a Turkish invasion ( :nonono: ) of northern Syria and an assault on the United States’ Kurdish allies. But once again, Pentagon officials prevailed on the president to leave close to 90 percent of the troops behind to guard nearby oil fields. The remainder will be redeployed in the region instead of coming home.

One place where Trump has successfully pressed for troop reductions is Africa. The Pentagon announced the phased withdrawal of hundreds of U.S. troops from that continent beginning in 2018. But the U.S. military footprint in Africa was relatively small to begin with, at roughly 7,200 troops, and because counterterrorism operations remain active in West Africa, military commanders have recommended slashing the proposed reductions by half

Moreover, Trump has stumbled into new military commitments in the Middle East and Europe. In response to rising tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran, he authorized the deployment of some 14,000 additional troops to the Persian Gulf, including around 3,500 to protect Saudi oil facilities. Trump also agreed to expand the U.S. military presence in Poland with an additional 1,000 troops, and his administration is in talks to build a permanent military base there in the future. In short, Trump’s vacillations have led to cosmetic redeployments and chronic confusion about U.S. priorities—but not to a meaningful reduction in troop levels.

THEIR FAIR SHARE
As a candidate, Trump promised to reduce the fiscal burden of U.S. foreign policy, in particular by demanding that ungrateful allies pay more for American security assistance. He claimed that the United States had been “disrespected, mocked, and ripped off for many, many years by people that were smarter, shrewder, tougher.” (He cited Japan and South Korea specifically.) And as president, he used his first NATO summit to complain about how “many of these [European] nations owe massive amounts of money from past years.”

Yet Trump has had limited success pressing NATO countries to live up to a 2014 pledge to spend two percent of GDP on defense within a decade. When he took office, just four of the 29 NATO members (Britain, the United States, Estonia, and Greece) met the threshold. Four more countries (Poland, Romania, Latvia, and Lithuania) have hit the target since then, but mainly because their spending was already trending in that direction. At the same time, British defense spending actually fell and is expected to flat-line at around 2.1 percent. French defense spending is slated to rise from 1.8 percent of GDP to two percent, but not until 2025. Germany won’t hit the two percent target until 2031. Even on the flattering but unrealistic assumption that these modest shifts are a response to Trump, together they will amount to no more than a $38 billion increase by the end of 2019, from $261 billion in non-U.S. NATO spending in 2016 to an estimated $299 billion this year.

Crucial American allies outside of Europe have also resisted Trump’s appeals for burden sharing. Japanese and Australian military expenditures hover around one percent and two percent of GDP, respectively—roughly the same as in the pre-Trump era. South Korea did significantly increase its defense spending in 2018, when tensions flared on the Korean Peninsula. But as a percentage of GDP, South Korean defense spending has hardly shifted during Trump’s tenure. Saudi Arabia’s defense spending has decreased dramatically in recent years, from $87.2 billion in 2015 to $67.5 billion last year, and there is no evidence that Saudi reimbursements to the United States have increased during Trump’s presidency.

With U.S. allies reluctant to chip in for defense, the Trump administration has been forced to foot most of the bill. Over the last three years, the United States has boosted defense spending by more than $139 billion, from $611 billion in 2016 to a near-record $750 billion in 2019. And that was after Trump called the military budget “crazy” in 2018. By almost any measure, the president has left the United States more financially overstretched than when he took office.

NO END IN SIGHT
Trump’s self-professed dealmaking prowess was supposed to free the United States from costly foreign entanglements. Despite his claims to know more “than the generals do,” however, Trump has yet to end any U.S. warand his actions have squandered U.S. leverage in Afghanistan and Syria. After ripping up the Iran nuclear deal, he failed to replace it with anything, much less anything better. In early November, Iran announced that it would begin to enrich fissile material beyond the caps it agreed to in the agreement.

The president’s controversial courting of Russian President Vladimir Putin proved similarly ineffective: arms control stalled and U.S.-Russian relations remained frosty,
pushing Russia and China closer together. Whatever one thinks of Trump’s outreach to North Korea, he has no durable concession or deal to show for it. In fact, North Korea has tested more missiles on Trump’s watch than on Obama’s. In short, the master dealmaker has come up empty again and again: not only has Trump failed to end the United States’ “forever wars” but his botched diplomatic efforts in Iran and North Korea have arguably made yet another war more likely.

Trump has been quick to blame these setbacks on “the deep state.” The president is committed to retrenchment, according to this narrative, but his advisers and bureaucrats are blocking him. Yet the president has had no trouble forcing out legions of advisers who didn’t perform as desired. Trump’s preferences may be unstable, but he appears to get what he wants from his employees. A related defense trotted out by supporters of the president is that elected officials such as Senator Mitch McConnell have stymied Trump’s retrenchment efforts. But apart from the Syrian retreat, which was a dispute over a small number of troops, Republicans have given the president sufficient support to pursue his foreign policy goals.

A more compelling explanation for the persistence of a large global U.S. military footprint, and the concomitant creep of overseas commitments, is to be found in domestic politics. Trump’s rhetoric can diverge sharply from reality without consequence because few in his party have an incentive to hold him accountable. In this hyper-polarized political moment, most voters will stick with their party regardless of how many campaign pledges are broken or foreign policy initiatives end in failure. With an all-volunteer military, flattening taxes, and deficit financing, the vast majority of Americans are insulated from the costs of American foreign policy. So long as most Americans want to look tough and influential without paying for it, politicians won’t be punished for living in the same fantasy world as voters. They can promise big changes, avoid making hard choices, and keep muddling along. That may be a way to get elected, but it is no way to run a superpower.



Resumen: Trump ha más que nada vendido humo y dejado más cagadas que aciertos, por eso la verdad me he desilucionado de su política exterior, que ha sido de las peores desde Woodrow Wilson y Warren Harding

Primero, aprende a sintetizar

Segundo, cual chucha es tu punto?, No ha retirado las tropas que dijo Hiba a retirar? Hasta Yo que soy un pobre pelagato entiendo lo complicado de retirar tropas del exterior, pierdes presencia, aliados, te enemistas con hartos weones que quieren guerra, el punto es que no ha iniaciado una guerra y eso ( hasta cierto punto) es bueno. Tu mierda de copy paste no aporta nada
 
Que te tengo que probar que epxulsaron a toda la prensa extranjera de Wuhan? O que china es una dictadura comunista? Necesito probar que china miente? Jejeje. Eso es conspiración? Puta el wn loco jeje.

Tienes que demostrar que China tenia el virus y lo solto aproposito, o que fabrico el virus como bio-arma. No te digo que no sea plausible, y que probablemente sea el caso, pero para demostrar algo necesitas evidencia, no especulaciones, por muy plausibles que sean.

Lo que si se puede demostrar es que el virus no fue diseñado para ser usado como arma de terrorismo, y no hay mas.

De hecho tú tendrías que probar que dicen la verdad porque esa wea no se la cree nadie

La carga de prueba la tienes tu, que haces la afirmacion. Yo solo digo que no hay evidencia solida a favor de esa hipotesis.
 
Primero, aprende a sintetizar

Segundo, cual chucha es tu punto?, No ha retirado las tropas que dijo Hiba a retirar? Hasta Yo que soy un pobre pelagato entiendo lo complicado de retirar tropas del exterior, pierdes presencia, aliados, te enemistas con hartos weones que quieren guerra, el punto es que no ha iniaciado una guerra y eso ( hasta cierto punto) es bueno. Tu mierda de copy paste no aporta nada
No ha retirado tropas, de hecho las ha aumentado. Muchas de las decisiones de sacar tropas hubieran dejado la cagada gigante (como en Siria donde los turcos hubieran hecho mierda a los Kurdos que son un aliado de EEUU) así que la gran mayoría de las veces comunica que va a retirar tropas para luego no hacerlo y al final sus decisiones en materia internacional como el tratado con Irán le han forzado a aumentar la cantidad de tropas, en ese punto ha vendido humo.

Tampoco ha logrado apoyo o colaboración con sus aliados, todo lo contrario.
 
A ver, lo que si se ha demostrado es que el virus no fue creado con ingenieria genetica, y a menos que los chinos puedan sobornar o mandar a callar la secuencia genetica de un retrovirus entonces es la mejor evidencia de que no fue fabricado.

Queda la segunda opcion, que los Chinos descubrieran el virus

Y cual es tu fuente de esa información?

Donde empezó el virus? Quienes ocultaron la gravedad? Quienes ocultaron información? Que paso con los investigadores que detectaron el virus?

Todos tus intentos de defender a los chiggas no sirven de nada si no tienes información comprobable
 
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